Thinking about getting a Pistol w/ Suppressor.
 

I was wondering what type of Pistol w/ suppressor would the folks here at GIM recommend? I don't want to have to spend more than $1000ish for the pistol and suppressor if at all possible.

I know I will have to deal with fun paperwork to get such a firearm + the $200 fun tax, how much does this process suck from your experiences?

Also any chance of getting a Glock modified to be able to use a suppressor with it?

Thanks!

Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol w/ Suppressor.
 

Walther P22.

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Any idea of a price to get a P22 with suppressor? I like this idea a lot.

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No sir, I haven't been in that market in a good while. I can say with confidence that it is under $1K and you will be able to feed it for very cheaply. Gemtech makes directly compatible cans. The barrels are already threaded.

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Others will likely disagree with me, BUT... when you add in the $200.00 tax stamp, seems it only makes sense to buy something that will last you "forever." In that case, you'll have spent most of your $1,000 budget just on the tax stamp and a "proper" suppressor... not what you wanted to hear, huh? :452:

Research suppressors like crazy, then do it again. I think you'll come to the same conclusion I stated above... which is why they're off the budget for me until next year... sigh. :cry1:

Just keep this thought in mind: do you want to be able to say you have a suppressor, or do you really want to have a real suppressor?

The homework and research is the hard part... after you do that, the money won't seem as bad.

Just my 2 pennies. :s1:

P.S. just FYI, the only snap-quiet suppressors are for sub-sonic 22LR's.... a quality 9mm suppressor (using a 147 grain sub-sonic bullet) makes the shot sound like a soft 22. What caliber gun are you looking to suppress??? SILENCE COSTS $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

P.P.S. Glocks can be suppressed.... got any spare change?

Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol w/ Suppressor.
 

I am possibly interested in getting a suppressor for my G19. What all is involved it getting a Glock suppressed? New threaded barrel and a suppressor? $1000 no were near what it will cost for this?

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1911 .45 is what I'd use. It's just as quiet as a .22. A .45 is a subsonic bullet so you can make it quiet. If you decide to go through the paper work I can recommend a quality product.

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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol w/ Suppressor.
 

Yea, the speed of the 45 works to its advantage (and only the 147 grain 9MM comes close to that), but I think gangsta already has a Glock, and doesn't want to pick up another piece! :36_3_12:

As for me, I've been looking at 22's and 9mm's... after a couple of months of digging around, my conclusion: you get what you pay for... and the good stuff is bigger and heavier than the "trendy" stuff.

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Sorry I can't answer your question about what it takes, especially since I myself am thinking about a Glock 17 or 34(?). But I've read so much stuff, my brain is full of chaos and confusion! And as I posted earlier, I'm financially a year away... so it's all in deep storage!

Google or Yahoo search.... or even call Glock! The "solution" is out there, but that's extra bucks.... again! :36_1_25:

My advice: move slowly, research a lot, and readjust your expectations and goals to fit in with reality.

If you already have the Glock, $1,000 is pretty much in the neighborhood of getting you there (tax stamp and all). And we're talking QUALITY PERFORMANCE.

I can't recall, but there is an outfit that addresses Glock suppression (they and another brand or two are tricky because of the way the barrel functions during recoil)... guess it's time for YOU to do your HOMEWORK! This is not a garden variety question!

Life does NOT come on a silver platter!

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http://www.swrmfg.com/ProductDetails.asp?ID=21

http://www.swrmfg.com/ProductDetails.asp?ID=20

Seeing good reviews on the bottom one.

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Yea, good outfit... also check out "Yankee" something or other... sorry! :confused_ma:

Call 'em up and talk to them... the Glock "issue" has to do with the fact that the barrel rotates up during recoil/whatever. It helps reduce felt recoil.

The techies can tell you more... I'm too brainfogged, as I said earlier, and besides... it's BEER TIME for me! :565:

Wish ya luck... take your time... consider it a once-in-a-lifetime purchase with serious consequences, and you should do ok! :s1:

I'm.... O-U-T-T-A.... H-E-R-E!!! :signs1:

Yankee Hill Machine!!! http://www.yhm.net/store/rimfire.html

And here's one that's REALLY CAUGHT MY EYE!!! It's only $950.00... PLUS the tax stamp... AND the cost of the FFL dealer paperwork.... LOL!

http://www.ar15-ar15.com/AWC_Jupiter...jupitereye.htm

Have a great weekend!!!

Re: Thinking ...Yea, Gangsta...
 

Check with the folks first, and try to get a Jupiter!

But don't come crying to me if you wind up broke and can't install it... LOL!

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P.S. And check out the specs.. 7.7 inches long, weighs 13.5 ounces!!! OOPS! There goes the concealed carry of your 19! :)

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gangsta99,

SWR Manufacturing has an excellent reputation at the Silencer Talk forum.

Other good brands are Advanced Armament Corp. (AAC), Yankee Hill Machine (as mentioned above) and (for .22 LR suppressors) Tactical Innovations Inc.

If you want to suppress a Glock 19, I understand that you can have a very nice setup with a Lone Wolf threaded barrel and either an SWR Shadow9, SWR Trident9 or AAC Evolution-9 (all using subsonic 147-grain ammo, of course.)

Make sure the diameter of the "can" isn't too wide to block the factory sights, or you may have to use taller front and rear sights.

From personal experience, you can also shoot .22 LR suppressed in your Glock 19 using an Advantage Arms Glock conversion kit. You'll need to have the barrel threaded (I recommend Tornado Technologies), and use a .22 LR can (I have a Tactical Innovations Quest suppressor) - sounds like an Airsoft gun, "pop, pop, pop" :yippee:

You can use supersonic (>1100 fps muzzle velocity) .22 LR ammo in barrels shorter than ~5" without causing "ballistic crack", as the bullet won't break the sound barrier. With barrels longer than 5", you'll have to use subsonic ammo if you want to avoid "cracking".

Be aware that achieving "Hollywood quiet" is only realistic with a suppressed bolt-action rifle in .22 LR using subsonic ammo. Semi-auto firearms will always have some action noise as the bolt or slide cycles back and forth.

Also, YouTube videos can sometimes be misleading, as many video cameras have a noise cutoff, which can make shots seem quieter than in real life.

The Wikipedia article on suppressors is actually a pretty good introduction to the subject:

Suppressor - Wikipedia.

Hope this helps.

Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol w/ Suppressor.
 

Thank you Scrooge and thank you Raymond. I am going to go the Glock / Suppressor route.

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http://www.scribd.com

Has lots of free books on silencers.

Re: WHAT A SMALL WORLD!!!
 

I'm planning to call Tornado Technologies to thread a couple of barrels I have!

Seems like the word on "quality" has a way of getting round.

Really informative post... I was sober enough to understand it too! :36_1_34:

But I probably won't be in another hour or so!

Have a great weekend!

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gangsta99,

When you decide to buy a suppressor, try to buy one from a dealer in your state who has the item in stock. If you buy one from a dealer who has to order it from the manufacturer, your order may be delayed (and delayed, and delayed...) if he decides to wait until he has enough orders to make a bulk purchase.

Unless you get a screamingly good price on a can out of state, any savings will be eaten up by paying the fee to have an in-state dealer accept the transfer.

If you have a living trust, you don't have to get the local LEO to sign off on your paperwork or have to get fingerprints taken, you can send it directly to BATFE. Of course, you'll still go through the standard criminal background check.

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UncaScrooge,

Thanks for the kind words, I may be joining you in the same state of mind in a few minutes :coolbeer:

Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol w/ Suppressor.
 

I have Trident 9 and it's a great can! With interchangeable mounts, I can easily move mine from my 9mm AR to my double stack STI or my S&W M&P 9 with Storm Lake barrel. 9mm is fun to shoot suppressed as long as you stick to subsonic ammo. AAC is also a good company with great product, as well as Gemtech. You should be able to buy an aftermarket threaded barrel for your G19 (Storm Lake has good reputation); you can also buy a stock G17/G34 barrel and have it cut/threaded. My only concern would be the balance of G19 with a can attached; G19 is a small gun, and it may feel too nose-heavy even with a light can.

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I used to have both a Knights Armament .45 suppressor and a Sound Tech .22 suppressor. Knowing what I know now, if I was only going to get one can, I would get it for the .22.

Any suppressed center fire pistol is going to be more quiet than unsuppressed but it will still sound about like a pneumatic nail gun. Not really quiet, just doesn't sound quite like a gun. In other words, people nearby will still hear a noise, they just may not associate it with gun fire.

The report from a suppressed .22 however is usually more quiet than the cycling of the action of the gun. You can literally shoot in your backyard while your neighbor has a BBQ and no one will even blink.

The Sound Tech suppressor (highly recommended) was also more versatile as I had a Kimber bolt gun, Ruger 10/22 and Ruger 22/45 that were all threaded to accept the can. Quite a bit more bang for your buck!

I owned a P22 for about a month before I sold it. Too picky about ammo and not even close to 100% reliable. Maybe they are better now. The Ruger 22/45 is a proverbial AK when it comes to reliability.

Before I sold them, I was able to use the KAC .45 can on my HK .45s and Glock 10mills (smaller diameter bore) with good effect. The key to reliability when talking about a semi auto pistol is a light weight can (not recommended for longevity) or a heavier more solid alloy can with a Nielsen Device. If you just stick a heavy can on the end of a barrel without a Nielsen, you may end up with a single shot pistol.

Are suppressors worth the money? I think so. Is there a risk of being papered in an unpredictable political climate? Sure. Until the day comes when they become banned, you will still have a ton of fun with them however and they will be a prized tool in your battery. Besides, once you have had a chance to use them and understand how they work, you will better understand how they work, if you know what I mean.:wink: Bx3

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My neighbor has a gentec we use with a p-22 and a remington 512 single shot that has to have at least 3000 rounds thru it at this point with out a single problem. It is too much fun. He used to own a gun store and would bring home all kinds of fun toys to play with. ( we have a 100 yard range in back yard) I was amazed at how loud a 1911 was with a can on it. We shot a G19 once with a can on it, it was much more quiet than the .45 but was a different manufacturer. My personal opinion is a .22 is the most practical way to go, then you can use the same can on a pistol or a rifle. A .22 rifle with a scope and a silencer is just double extra groovey .

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HK has a nice one

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I believe a pistol+silencer to be the best SHTF weapon one can own--a far better investment than an AR-15. That said, I live in a Commie state where they're totally unobtainable, so I can't help much with recommending one.

For most centerfire pistols such as Glocks, I believe you just get a longer barrel for whatever pistol you've got.

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IMO the only 22cal pistol worth spending the money to suppress is a stainless Ruger Mk II or Mk III. The Ruger 22 pistols are butt-ugly, but they are made of a very good quality of steel and the design is extremely durable. There's more than a few examples with well over 100,000 shots that are still going, without any parts replaced. Your trigger finger is going to wear out before anything inside that pistol will.


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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol w/ Suppressor.
 

The larger the caliber the more difficult it is to suppress, which is why the G19 sounded so much quieter to you than a 1911. Also, supersonic calibers are more difficult to suppress than subsonic ones. Even though .45 is generally a subsonic round, it has a pretty big hole for gases to escape, which is why it's difficult to suppress. IMO, 9mm is about the largest pistol caliber that can be suppressed effectively, as long as it's loaded to subsonic pressures of course. But for the highest coolness and CDI factor, a suppressed .22 is hard to bead.

Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol w/ Suppressor.
 

sorry to be a total noob, but could someone explain what this $200 tax stamp is all about? Is this something that they soak you with when you purchase a silencer? Or is it something else?

Thanks much//

Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol w/ Suppressor.
 

National Firearms Act, my brother. Read it, research it, Unintended Consequences forthcoming.

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...nsequences.jpg


Manditory Gun Culture Reading.

You'll learn so much.:wink:

I've got the .pdf ebook if you want it.

Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol w/ Suppressor.
 

It's a ransom... er.. fee you have to pay to BATFE for them to do their job. Yes, you're "soaked" with it when you purchase a suppressor (or any NFA item unless it's AOW); you're also sometimes "soaked" with it when you sell an NFA item (depending on whom you're selling to), so it's something to keep in mind, too.

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PROTIP SITE:
http://www.precisionweapons.com/cart...Legalities.asp
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It's worth stating that the $200 tax was instated (in the US) in the year of 1939. $200 was an enormous sum of money at the time. It's no small amount nowadays. That $200 tax amounts to a life sentence if ignored.

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Y-E-S...can you post it in a thread or do you need to e-mail it?
Thanks!

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I have two .22 suppressors, an SRT integral Ruger Mark II and a Gem-Tech Seahunter that moves from gun to gun. I want to get one more can in .30 caliber to suppress my .300 Whisper guns.

The integral Ruger is a blast to shoot as there is no blast, and it is easy to take the suppressor down for cleaning.

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http://www.truthinourtime.com/2009/0...n-torrent.html

The first link in that post is a torrent that has hundreds of files on how to build Suppressors.

Here is the direct link

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4569...ection___Video

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My Class 3 bud has 2 suppressed .22's, a Ruger MK II and a 10/22. I don't see the need, but to each his own.

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NEED???? It's not a need - it's a WANT.

Suppressed weapons are fun, if nothing else. It's neat to shoot right next door to your neighbor, without him hearing a thing.

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Knowing how to build a suppressor is good and all, but building one without being a Class 3 FFL/SOT is a good way to get a rent-free stay at the Government Inn resort for the next 20-30 years.

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You don't really even need to BUILD a suppressor. Merely possessing certain eeeeevil items, such as tubing, body washers, rubber washers or gaskets, hockey pucks, copper wool can get you in trouble with the Feds. They can argue that you intended to build an illegal suppressor, therefore you should burn like the eeeeevil lawbreaker that you certainly are. I think it's legally called "constructive intent" or "constructive possession.".

This law can also be used to smack you if you own an AR15, and dared to buy a shortie AR barrel or upper. Even though you may not have assembled the two into a functioning (albeit unregistered) short barreled rifle, the BATBoyz can argue that you obviously INTENDED to break the law. Same thing with owning both an AK-style semiauto rifle, plus an AK sear/disconnector. Even though they're not assembled into a functioning select fire AK, you can be screwed by the Feds.

If you're an adult male and possess the reproductive organs that come with that model, then you obviously intended to commit rape - after all, you've got the tools needed to break the law (even if you haven't done so yet).

Welcome to Amurka!

Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol w/ Suppressor.
 

Thanks for all the reponses, I got sat in the corner because I spoke out against a certain POS from down-under who gets off on hoping and wishing us Americans destroy ourselves and lose our freedoms.


Anyway I plan to get the Trident 9 for my G19 around Christmas time. Before then I need to get some good optics for my AR, which includes an Eotech 517 and a 3x Eotech mag.

Again thanks for all the reponses and I am glad to be back.

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welcome back

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Always wanted to try an issue Russian Makarov with a built in one; have seen pictures.

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I can't speak to the Glock or the Walther cost wise.

Here's a Sig Mosquito (.22) w/can that is available now for $600. This includes the $200 to the F troop folks. But not taxes or 'handling fees' to your local Class III dealer.

http://www.summitgunbroker.com/Suppressed_Guns.html

He also shows HIS Ruger 10-22

http://www.summitgunbroker.com/Suppressed__10_22.html

Both suppressor appear to be made by Sound Tech.

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You had me excited!!!

"Of course the suppressor has a NFA tax stamp which is another $200. Just the gun and supperssor is $595. "

Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol w/ Suppressor.
 

Rebel Yarr,

Sorry, you are correct. $600 and then add the $200 to the F Troop. Plus handling fees, etc.

Too dyslexic sometimes.

This same dealer sells the Sig Mosquito for $340. So that means he's selling the can for $260. Not too bad a price, but certainly not the deal I read it to be.

Again, sorry.

Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol w/ Suppressor.
 

So a suppressor won't work well for an ak-47 or ar-15?

Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol w/ Suppressor.
 

It will work, it just won't be "Hollywood quiet", and you will still hear the sonic "pop". But it will make a day and night difference if you're not wearing hearing protection (such as during SHTF situation).

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My AWC CQB suppressor in 9mm has 1/2x28 threads. It works on a couple 9mm carbines, a Makarov pistol, and also an AR15. No, it's not designed for a .223 round, but really cuts down on the noise.

I have even used it on a friend's .22 pistol threaded in 1/2x28, and it worked as well as the dedicated .22 can (but was MUCH bulkier/heavier).

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There is also subsonic ammo available in these calibers though it is not cheap. I used to be able to shoot my 7.62x51 in my backyard with subsonic and my neighbors were never the wiser. +1 on not needing hearing protection with standard velocity ammo either.

Also, many people poo poo shooting standard velocity center fire ammo through a suppressor because they can still tell that it is a gun shot. If you have ever been on the receiving end of a suppressed weapon you will know that the neigh sayers know not what they speak of.

The tactical advantage of firing a suppressed weapon even with standard velocity ammo is that the intended target(s) will generally not be able to locate the shooters position. The target will only here the sonic crack and not the actual report if more than 100 yards away. The sonic crack occurs roughly 90 degrees from the target which tends to deceive the target as to where the shooter actually is. Sure, the target(s) know they are being fired on but they will not be able to detect the shooters location. If this is an advantage you don't care about, then disregard everything I have said. Bx3

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I read on a website somewhere that the average -actual- sentence per-item was around 2.75 years. And the loss of gun-owning privileges from then on, I believe.

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They don't cost much to make, just a few bucks of metal, but most people don't have access to the metalworking machinery necessary.

Because of the silly US laws, the US has politician-designed suppressors that you will not find anywhere else in the entire world. The practical necessity of being able to replace the internals while keeping the outer tube makes them heavy, complex and more-expensive to manufacture.

This page shows what the inside of a "non-USA" one looks like--which are usually cheaper, lighter, less-complex to build and yet still work well. They are welded together in one piece, and cost about as much as a lawn mower muffler the same size. You shoot them until the baffles split (it gets louder), then you throw it in the trash and go buy a new one.


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